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    If you think you have been scammed, contact the non-emergency number for your local police department. They may be able to offer advice about your options.


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    There are plenty of scams using Paypal's name

  • they send you an email saying money has been sent but due to new security measures it will not be credited until you send the tracking info. So you send the item, email the tracking info, then check Paypal and there is NO money in your account. You call Paypal who tells you they never emailed you, there was no transaction and they NEVER ask for tracking info before crediting your account
  • they send you money from a hacked Paypal account, you ship the item, then the real account holder discovers the theft, reports it to Paypal and the money is refunded from your account
  • they send you a fake Paypal email saying money has been sent but you have to click on a link to verify the transaction - which leads you to a fake but real looking Paypal log-in page that you log into -- and you just got your account hacked
  • they send you money from a real Paypal account, ask you to ship to a certain address, then file a chargeback. If you did not check with Paypal that the address they gave you was the "verified" address and you sent anywhere but the verified address, they claim they never received the item and Paypal refunds them. It doesn't matter if you have proof it was delivered to the other address along with an email from the buyer telling you to ship to that address. If you ship anywhere but the verified Paypal mailing address, you have NO protection and Paypal will always side with the buyer.
  • To be safe only sell locally or at least in your own country where you have legal recourse.

    Most people who use Musicians Buy Line have great stories to tell about their experiences with buyers & sellers, however, we also receive occasional reports of scams and fraud. We've found that one of the best ways to avoid this problem is to keep all transactions local or at least in your own country. Use caution and common sense when dealing with any financial transaction.

    The best way to tell a scam is to be familiar with popular scams that occur these days.
    Scammers often share some of the same characteristics:

    • The grammar and spelling in the listing or the message is poor.
    • They don't answer your questions.
    • They don't send you the additional pictures you asked for.
    • They make up elaborate excuses for why they can't meet in person.
    • They create a sense of urgency, pressuring you to finish the transaction fast.
    • They avoid talking on the phone (for example, they are never home when you call).
    • They refer to your musical instrument as "this item".
      (example... Dear Seller, I am interested in the immediate purchase of your item and will be make payment via cashier check/money order, my private shipping company will handle the shipping")
    • They will ask if you would be willing to ship your item, often to overseas. (Examples: it's a gift for someone who is studying or working in Africa, it's for their client, etc.) At best, you will ship your item and not receive any money.
    • They might send you a check for more money than you asked for and ask you to send some amount back under a complicated excuse. (Examples: send money to their "shipping agent", the check was from their "client" and they ask you to send them their cut, they made a mistake, etc.). The check is fake and your bank will bounce it in a few weeks.
    • If you get a message from a buyer offering to pay more than you are asking or asking you to ship to a foreign country, don't reply to them. Never cash a check from someone you haven't met in person, it might be fake.

    An example of a recent scam attempt:
    Moore (adamsmoore11@yahoo.com) contacted you about the Ad...

    Hi Seller,
    Is this musical instrument still up for sale? If yes,kindly get back to me with your final asking price.
    Thanks Moore.


    • Deal Only With Locals or at least in the country you live. You have little or no recourse when dealing outside your country.
    • Be wary of buyers that want to give you more than you are asking (with a certified check) and want you to wire the excess funds to them and use their own shipper to pick up your item.
    • NEVER wire funds to a distant person, via Western Union or any other carrier.
    • Be wary if the other party wants to use an escrow service such as BidPay or Squaretrade.
    • NEVER give out personal financial information (bank account numbers, SSN, eBay/PayPal info, etc.)
    • Trust your instincts, and remember the most important rules : Caveat Emptor & Caveat Venditor
    • Caveat Emptor -- Let the Buyer Beware -- applies to any transaction on Musicians Buy Line where money is involved.
    • Caveat Venditor -- Let the Seller Beware -- applies to any transaction on Musicians Buy Line where money is involved.
    • Musicians Buy Line Does Not Guarantee Any Transaction
    • Musicians Buy Line Will Never Request Personal Information From You.

    Remember, we have no control over who responds to ads on this web site.
    If it sounds fishy...Hit Delete and Move On.  Please be smarter than them.


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    Recognizing scams

    Most scams involve one or more of the following:

    • An inquiry from someone far away, often in another country.
    • A proposed transaction includes a cashier's check, postal money order, Western Union, or escrow service (BidPay, Squaretrade, etc.)
    • The inability or refusal to meet face-to-face.


    Types of Scams

    1. Someone claims that Musicians Buy Line will guarantee a transaction, certify a buyer/seller, OR claims that Musicians Buy Line will handle or provide protection for a payment.

    • These claims are fraudulent. Musicians Buy Line does not have any role in any transaction.
    • Scammers will often send an official looking email that appears to come from Musicians Buy Line, offering a guarantee, certifying a seller, providing payment services -- all such emails are fakes!
    2. A distant person offers a genuine-looking (but fake) cashier's check
    • You receive an email (examples below) offering to buy your item, sight unseen.
    • A cashier's check is offered for your sale item.
    • The value of the cashier's check often far exceeds your item - scammer offers to "trust" you, and asks you to wire the balance via money transfer service.
    • Banks will often cash these fake checks AND THEN HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE WHEN THE CHECK FAILS TO CLEAR, including criminal prosecution in some cases!
    • The scam often involves a 3rd party (shipping agent, business associate owing buyer money, etc)
    3. A distant person offers to send you a cashier's check and then have you wire money:
    • This is ALWAYS a scam - the cashier's check is FAKE.
    4. Distant person suggests use of an online escrow service.
    • Most online escrow sites are FRAUDULENT, operated by scammers
    • For more info, do a google search on "fake escrow" or "escrow fraud"
    • If you must do business with a distant seller, insist on a legitimate service, such as www.escrow.com
    5. Distant seller asks for a partial payment upfront, after which he will ship goods.
    • He says he trusts you with the partial payment.
    • He may say he has already shipped the goods.
    • The deal often sounds too good to be true.

    These scams usually originate from free, anonymous email accounts such as Yahoo, gmail, hotmail, keromail, etc.
    This has been tried on several sellers on this and many other Classified Ad Sites:

    The buyer explains that he or a business associate will mail the seller a cashier's check or money order for the amount of the item plus the cost to transport it. The seller is asked to wire the transportation fees to the buyer once the check has cleared so the buyer can arrange for shipment or to send back the difference with the item.

    But a week or two after the check clears, the item has been shipped, and the excess money has been sent back, victims are notified by their banks that the check was counterfeit.

    The scam has become very widespread because it works.

    Scam victims admit they initially were skeptical when the deal was brokered, but after receiving and depositing a cashier's check that cleared, they assumed all was well.

    The scammers take advantage of a little-known loophole in the U.S. banking system. Many people don't realize that when a bank says funds have cleared, it doesn't mean the check is good.

    Under federal law, depending on the type of funds deposited, banks must give consumers access to the money within one to five days. Longer holds can be placed on deposits over $5,000, but banks are reluctant to inconvenience their customers.

    Unfortunately, it can take weeks for fake checks or money orders to be detected in the banking system. And sellers are out the items they have already shipped and left holding the bag for the money they've withdrawn. It's the depositor, not the bank, who is responsible if a check turns out to be bad.

    For a safe way to conduct business on the internet , we recommend using Escrow.com

    Here are some examples of scams that were tried on sellers.
    Hi,
    
    Thanks for prompt response towards the sales. I live in
    Memphis,Tennessee and I work  with CHRIS-HILL CONSTRUCTION, however I
    will be paying by certified bank check or bank draft whichever you
    prefer, May I know how much is your final asking price??, Payment will
    be mail to you when I receive your name and address and phone number.
    You should get it under 5 working days, I will schedule UPS or
    Schumacher Cargo Freight Shipping Company to handle the Pick-up.
    Please let me know when you receive payment so that I can arrange for
    the Freight Shipping Company to come for pick-up. I await to read from
    you with your payment details such as your full name you want to be on
    check and your mailing address and phone number.
    
    Thanks.
    James Ben   - jamesben093@gmail.com
    
    My name is Brian,I'm from MD i would love to know the least price for
    your (Roland Cube 15X Guitar Amp) and its present conditions,I
    would take Good care of the shipping myself i don't want you bother
    yourself about the shipments...The terms of payment will be CASHIER
    CHECK !!
    
    Dear Seller, I am interested in the immediate purchase of your item and will be make payment via cashier check/money order, my private shipping company will handle the shipping, but before payment will be made i need to be sure of who i am dealing with if you are going to be honest and sincere throughout the transaction. A certified cashiers check is cash-able the same day,there is going to be an excess fund on the check ,the excess fund is meant for the private shipping company who will come to your place for pick up of the item, so shipping is not a problem,will you be able to transfer the excess fund to the shipping company the same day you receive the check?. check would be sent to you so when you get payment you can easily cash it at any cashing point near you or deposit in your bank. You'll be sending excess fund to my shipper , which would be meant for shipping arrangement.if you agree, signify your interest by forwarding to me your Final Asking Price, Full Name & Contact Address and Tel #. I await your response soonest. Best and kind regards, lasjay@gmail.com

    My name is Ben , and i want to make enquiries about this item for my client which is interested in immediate purchase of this item and is ready to pay through Money order or cashier check. Before the check will be sent to you i want to tell you that it will be including some extra amount on the check which is meant for the shipping of this item to the buyer destination. After you deduct your money You will send the remaining money to the shipping company immediately in other to come for the pick up faster.If all this is understood by you get back to me with your full name,address,phone number and where to send the check to immediately.hope to hear from you soon.get back with your full name an d address as follow: name............... address......... final price.......... phone number....... Thanks. Get back to me direct via Email:kellymoon182@gmail.com


    Hello,


    My name Is Mr. Gerg Wallz Jr. ...., I am very glad to Find the Ads online.... Am really Interested in the Purchase of it , Once again. Am sure is Still available for sale? If is still available..

    Kindly email me and let me know the selling cost for it. Once again, I have made all arrangement with the associate of mine, in regards to the shipment. The shipment will be in the means of Picking Up in your place after you have the payment. I mean it will be pick up by my shipping co. Once the payment has cleared My means of payment will be by USD Certified Check which will surely clear fine... {100% Valid} for the payment..

    The check will be for the payment and shipment .. Once the check get to you.. Go ahead and deposit the check for clearance... Once the check cleared.. I shall forward all the shipment arrangement and instructions about the picking in your place to you...Am sure the condition of it is doing fine? Kindly advice me about the condition of it.. Ok...If you are satisfy with the content of my email. Kindly email me back and explain to me about the condition..

    NOTE: Kindly email me with the Information of where the check will be send out to for the payment.. The Information is asking below Thurs :

    FULL NAME ...............
    FULL ADDRESS........
    STATE...........................
    CITY...............................
    ZIP CODE.....................
    COUNTRY...................
    PHONE ...CELL #..................

    Try and answer to this message with all details requesting so that I can make all arrangement in sending the check out for your payment...
    Thanks and will look forward to read from you..
    Best of Regards...
    Mr. Gerg Wallz Jr. - wallzg@yahoo.com

    Hello,

    Thanks for the email i am very grateful for your reply,That shows me that you can reserve the Cello for me,I am sending you this email is to make final reconfirmation of the Cello,and also to let you know that payment will be, certified USPS (United States Postal Service)or check and also want to alert you on the fact that you will be receiving the (check/money order) this week or next.

    Regarding the shipping,I have a company that takes care of the pickup of my consignments for me and ship to my destination in anywhere in the U.S.A, you do not worry about shipping,the company will send down a representative to arrange the sales documentation and the pick up from your end for onward transfer to my destination.

    Note that you will be receiving an overdraft check, which will cover the money for the pickup (pickup and shipping to the final destination) as well as the money to be paid to the company that will take care of the pickup and the documentation with you. So please, as soon as you receive the payment,go and cash it immediately,deduct the money that accrues to you,and send the balance to the Head Office of the company that handles the shipment via Western union so that it will be more easier for you and for the shipper to get it quick.The check will be in your name to make it easier for you to receive payment, please reconfirm your details one more time.I will give you the details of the company that will be shipping it as soon as you got the payment.Once the money is received by the shipper,,the shipping agent will contact you immediately to arrange the documentation as well as the pick up immediately.

    So in view of the above, here are some of the details I will need for final issue of the payment to you.

    N.B

    I will pay you an extra $50 if you reserve this for me.
    So in view of the above, here are some of the details I will need for final issuance of the (check/money order) to you.
    1) Full Name
    (2) Mailing address, no p.o.box please
    (3) your direct telephone number
    (4) acceptance of my offer
    (5) Final price


    After which i will give you the details of my shipper. once the above information is given you will be issue.. Hope to hear from you immediately
    Best Regard
    Ckoko

    From: shild john
    Date: Friday, May 26, 2007 7:06 PM
    To: item4sale@musiciansbuyline.com
    Subject: XLT-43 speakers and CSX monitor
    Hello,
    I am interest in purchasing your item with no
    delay,but first? What is
    the final price of the item? Is the price firm? Will
    you be accepting a
    certified Cashiers Check? or money order Contact me
    with the present
    state
    of the item and your contact information to mail out
    the payment to you
    as
    soon as possible. Name you want on check:
    Home Address:
    City:
    State:
    Country:
    Phone Number/Office Number.
    Regards

    From: r. martin <rich_mart06@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Marshall Amp

    Thanks for your response.

    Due to shipping and insurance, and that a shipping company is coming to pick up from you. You will receive a US money order of $1450 then you deduct the cost price $395 which is what I will like to pay for it, then you will assist in forwarding the shipping cost which is the balance/extra via Western Union to the shipper who will be coming to pick up, and this must be done in good faith.

    I will like to read from you concerning this shipping arrangement before processing and sending the payment out to you. Also let me know what name the payment should be payable to.

    Thanks for your co-operation, while awaiting your response.
    Regards,
    Adam


    Good Day Sir/Ma,

    I just place a look on your Item and i am interested in immediate purchase of this Item,but before i proceed on this transaction i will like to ask some question as follow,

    1. Do you accept a ( Money Order / Cashier Check ) as a mode of payment?

    2. What is the final asking prize you can go at last?

    3 Will you let our shipping company to come to you house for the pick up of the Item cos we don't want you to worry yourself about the shipping of the Item.

    4 You are to send your NAME AND CONTACT ADDRESS WITH TEL # to mail out the payment today.

    5. Will you be able to follow the instruction on the payment,the leftover with be transfer to the shipping company via western union money transfer same day you recieve and cash the Payment for the arrangement of the home pick up from your house down to my client .

    Regard,
    Jackson.


    I have a new email address!You can now email me at: lordscourtmin@yahoo.com

    Hello,

    I read the advert of your Musical Equipment for sale on www.musiciansbuyline.com and would like to know if the equipment is still available for sale.Kindly notify me in your response to my enquiry about the present condition of the equipment and your asking price as i am interested in buying it from you.I would be looking forward to your immediate response thanks.

    - Simeon Williams



    Remember, we have no control over who responds to ads on this web site. If it sounds fishy...Hit Delete and Move On.  Please be smarter than them.


    Who you should notify about fraud.

    • FTC toll free hotline: 877-FTC-HELP (877-382-4357)
    • Canadian PhoneBusters hotline: 888-495-8501

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